9 thoughts to “Agile Testing Days > My Presentation on Creativity #agiletd”

  1. Nice flow in your presentation, I like it. I’m sure we will meet at some point, preferrably before our kids are grown up ๐Ÿ˜‰

  2. Hi Thomas, thanks for the nice comments. We absolutely will meet up someday before our kids are grown up. I think a conference is probably the best bet :)Rob..

  3. Cool prezi presentation, have you recorded it on video? Would like to hear the story behind these “slides” (what the prezi word for it?)

  4. It’s a beautiful presentation.And a very important message.It’s not many that know that testing can and should be one of the most creative professions.I think more will know with presentations like this.

  5. Thanks for including me in your presentation. It’s a shame I couldn’t be there to see you present it, but I absolutely love your prezi. You make some excellent points :o)

  6. Rob, I think this is great, lovely slides and message, though it didn’t talk about structure itself as much as I’d hoped. Eg, different kinds of structure – to help teams be good (as you state) but what about giving customers what they want – our teams may avoid be able to avoid fear but some customers have fear; they want to see some structured coverage *in addition to* creative bug-finding. Which aspects of structure do you find more helfpul and which less? Personally I like to know what levels of integration I’m working at, what layer of stakeholder I’m testing for, and what test basis / oracle (requirements to technical design in the trad sense, or something else if appropriate). And I like to start with “what do I want to do” before proceeding to how. Can you say a bit more about “just enough structure”? Do you think we need ro work harder at educating some of our customers?

  7. @Andreas and @Rikard and @marlena – Thanks for the comments. I’m intending to do some sort of eBook or follow up of the presentation. The Prezi doesn’t give half of the story. I use limited slides to encourage people to listen to me.@Neil – Excellent series of questions.I am going to include some of the key structures in a follow up eBook, but they are subjective and fluid.You are absolutely correct – educating customers is incredibly tricky but valuable. I’m aiming most of my work at the environment you work in as enforced by management and Best Practices but the whole selling of projects to clients is an important angle I maybe need to research.I do have another eBook on the verge of being published which deals with the working out of who/what/where. It’s about increasing our awareness of the very things you talk about. Thankyou very much for the comments, they have urged me to look at new and interesting angles.Rob..

  8. Not my final input on this yet, but coincidentally another thought on structure – I was watching a TV programme about mathematics (yes, yes, all right) and it mentioned the evolution of maths through numbers, geometry, algebra etc – but some say the generalisation is that maths is the study of *structure*. And I say software is x% structure, and test techniques are y% structure… Yes it takes creativity to see metastructures, new structures etc, so creativity need not be unstructured. On the other hand, I guess the sort of structure you’re most worried about is team org structures, documentation hierarchies, certification, multiple-choice exam questions, strict definitions of words…?

  9. Hi Neil,It’s a complicated world is the world of structure and structure means so much to so many. In essence structure is a system. Some systems are helpful, some not. Some are complicated. Some not. Some are complex. Some Not. In essence, any system that is not helpful is excessive? maybe?So I like your comments and think you’re right, but I know a few people might disagree. Maths is a field full of creativity, but is bound by some very complex rules and structures. In my presentation I use the example of Sonnets. These are very structured, but allow people to create some wonderful things. So it’s hard to define what is too much and what is too little, but on a general level we need “enough” but defining what “enough” is, is incredibly complicated ๐Ÿ™‚ and fraught with context, perception and expectations.I think maybe I can learn a lot from you on this and next time we meet up, we should maybe exchange some ideas ๐Ÿ™‚ And..watching a show about maths!!! – nothing wrong with that – I watch all sorts of stuff like that. It’s good for the brain :)Thanks for commentingRob..

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